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Today Avid released Sibelius 8.0, or what is being called the “next generation” or “new Sibelius”.,. A full review follows.When it comes to software updates, what’s in a version number? There are updates to desktop browsers and mobile apps, which most people don’t concern themselves with (Quick: which version of Facebook is your smartphone running?).Operating system versions are equally curious.
Technically speaking, desktop Macs are still running, meaning that students will be writing their college application essays on the OS that was born at the same time they were. On the PC side, maybe Microsoft saw an opportunity to catch up to Apple in version numbering, or maybe they were just in a hurry when they breezed past 9 on their way to.In the world of music notation applications, each numerical update has historically represented significant new features and a new file format. The recently released came five years after version 1, and its myriad new features are true to what one would expect after such a long period and a doubling of the version number.
Finale released yearly updates for over a decade corresponding to the next year following the release, until. Like new car models that follow a similar schedule, each update offered up a few new important features but, owing to the short development cycle, progress was more incremental.Sibelius users have generally come to expect. Devoted users still have their favorite versions, recalling the highlights and quirks of each one like the personality traits of close friends. After all, some of us spend more time with Sibelius than with anything, or anyone else!Each major release brought with it a bevy of changes. In 2009 including Magnetic Layout, Versions, playback upgrades, ReWire support, not to mention vastly improved engraving features with slurs, articulations and chord symbols seeing marked improvement.
The 2011 release of Sibelius 7, was equally significant, not only with its change to the Ribbon interface but with, a brand new heavy-duty sound library, and a number of other things.So when, it was a break from the reliable release cycle stretching back to 1999. Not only was, it was a more incremental evolution of the software. Since the well-known corporate and personnel changes within Avid in 2012 left many wondering if there was any future at all for Sibelius, even a modest release such at 7.5 was a welcome sign, and understandable given the circumstances. The version number seemed to be an acknowledgment that users should not expect an upgrade worthy of being called “Sibelius 8”. Appropriately priced at $50 US, once the came out in July last year, it has proved to be a solid upgrade.One had to wonder, though, if the “.5” release was a temporarily hiccup owing to unique circumstances, or a harbinger of things to come. Would Sibelius 8 return to the pattern of impressive new features and notation improvements? Or would future updates take a more of incremental approach?
And if the latter, how will Avid charge for such updates?Avid answered those questions in April of this year, with the announcement of “the new Sibelius” along with new licensing options that included both perpetual and renewable licenses., and in May, senior product manager to further address questions and concerns about the new plans.While those FAQs and license plans are important to understanding Avid’s new strategy, they have been and we won’t spend more space dissecting them here. It’s always interesting when the whole 64-bit “feature” is touted as much of a special commodity. I mean, I understand that in certain VST-related cases why it’d be desirable for the application to be able to use 64-bit address space, but it’s still a feature that should have less priority than engraving and user interface related upgrades.To put it simply, with support for ReWire, most of the people who would really need the extra memory-handling capability have a better solution anyway. And I personally don’t think any notation/engraving software should need access to such swaths of memory (4 gb of allocated memory for any one application indicates general inefficiency, save for handling complex media like video editing).So while I know it’s in vogue to tout the 64-bit capabilities of software like this, it’s often at the expense of more useful improvements. Hi Philip,I was assuming that once you started paying the $89/yr, then you would continue unless you decided to jump off the renewal chain (not to return). Meaning that you felt that your current version was as far as you needed to go with that software, so why bother spending more money. In the case of the $89 choice, one can do that since the software would still work.I did not think someone would say renew for a year or two and then take a sabbatical for a while and try to get back in the zone renewing again.
It’s bizarre, I’ll give it that. In 20+ years of purchasing software, I’ve never come across anything close to this: It’s Sibelius 7.5 with a crude way of drawing on it like MS Paint from the 80s. That’s it.I like Sibelius, really. I don’t want to change to the new product or the “other” product. “Wait and see” doesn’t apply anymore= we did that and got a way to scribble. “Underwhelmed” doesn’t apply, it’s the same exact product with a mandatory $90 fee. Based on what they have done since the “underwhelming” 7.5, I’m expecting nothing more in the next 365 days, and hope I’m proven wrong.
The demo for the current Sibelius (8 or 2015) is not very responsive to the Surface Pen for note input on my Surface 3 (4G). The program itself seems to install and run fine (including playback) but the only reason for me to upgrade now would be if the pen input was an plusright now I don’t feel itOf course current Sib doesn’t have handwriting recognition, the pen just can be used positioning selection.Erasing with the pen isn’t anywhere near what it should be. Face it, fixing things in Sib is a painit wants to do what it wants to do I would rather be in charge.I usually have to delete the whole measure and start overthose damn greyed out rests drive me crazy!!!. The big hole in Avid’s thinking is that why should anyone fork out for a new licence if they decide they don’t need to upgrade that year after owning a perpetual licence.
People may get involved with other software like I did on other types if projects and not need the scoring facilities of Sibelius and decide at a later date when projects dictate to upgrade.Maybe Avid believe people in this situation will be forced into the subscription option, but they also could just as easily walk away altogether to another program and there are quite a few!Avid seem to have a short term focus that’s what my intuition is telling me, make profit now at the risk of losing long term customers. Maybe that’s the way the CEO’s want it but it won’t last.Make a quick buck vs losing the goodwill and loyalty of your kong term customers isn’t the way to go!Yamaha the owners of Steinberg must be loving this!!. Well, I upgraded and have messed around with it a bit. Save for the iOS-style updates to the Keypad and Transport pallets, you’d really have no clue that you weren’t simply working with v. It.might. be a little zippier with large scoresbut that could be my imagination.The Avid Licensing Manager, while not horrible, seems unnecessary. I really think that this is the major new featurefor Avid, though, not the users: a DRM tool and the subscription model.I guess the most compelling reason to upgrade at this point is that (presumably) Avid will keep this version regularly and promptly updated with new releases of OS X?
And perhaps the next incremental updates will include something more compelling.So, unless you’re a stickler for having the absolute latest, or unless you’re a Surface user, this is essentially Sibelius 7.5.5. I still could not see the big difference. I don’t mean the format. Hopefully it is not changed.
However, apart from some new windows and the capacity to export video, I still find all the old bugs that we the users have been for years trying to fixed. To may big disappointment, now in Sibelius 8 I cannot “select” a series of note with the funtion SHIFT and the mouse, it simple does not happen. I have avoided to update sibelius in my lapton, I think the previous version is still better. Now, could someone tell me how to select partcial notes with the shift + righ mouse click?. I’ve been using Sibelius since version 6, with gratitude for its beauty and usefulness.Software developers have families and bills too. The money we pay allows Avid and companies like theirs to plan staff and other costs with greater confidence.The very freedom we as users had in the past to buy or skip an upgrade meant that the company often had no idea how much would be coming into their coffers, and thus couldn’t plan effectively.Some of those upgrades were pretty expensive, too, with not everyone able to lay out the price all in one go. I see the new subscription model as an attempt to try to establish the business on a more reliable footing.It is, after all, a business.
Heav’n forfend that a business should not just be able to pay its staff but should also – cringe – turn a profit!I was very angry when Adobe went the same way, with their ‘Creative Cloud’ business model. But now I’ve come to accept and even to appreciate the new model.It’s the way all high-end software is going. As developer time becomes more expensive, the products will follow suit, eventually making it impossible to put the stuff out at what most of us would a reasonable price.I came ’round to it in the end; perhaps some of you will too.
Change isn’t nice but it is inevitable.(written while downloading Sibelius Sounds, could’ve gone on for four hours). Thanks for your comment, Cat.I think you’re saying that Change itself is inevitable but that the subscription model now adopted by Avid, Adobe, Microsoft and others was by no means inevitable and that, therefore, some other model was available to them; a model they chose to leave aside in favour of the current one.If that’s what you mean, then you are correct. I believe that this model itself will evolve into one in which all major software will be delivered by subscription, and that the option to ‘purchase’ a license will be removed. The current system is transitional.Thanks again; you gave me pause for thought!
Now installing Sibelius Sounds (sigh). Why can’t they give it to us on a pen drive or something?. Thank you alot for this review! Very well written and informative. You stay on the subject and are critical without being cynical – reading this had me nodding in agreement throughout!Personally, I feel that with Sibelius 7, we have pretty much reached a pinnacle of notation software – there is not a whole lot in terms of features you can actually add that would revolutionise anything. Features like the Annotations seem like re-inventing the wheel at this point, it is not like I could just use the existing text features to leave notes for collaborators.What I would like to see is improved play recognition.
Every tried actually recording midi from your master keyboard to speed things up? Even if you get the latency callibration spot-on, fixing the midi Sibelius writes is almost as much work as writing it by hand int he first place. New Algorythms that enable it to pick up on your playstyle, perhaps even improve as you go along – THAT would be a reason for me to upgrade.Another point where AVID could really make some users happy is external connectivity; Many people dream of hooking it up to their Cubase or Logic and write notes that can then trigger their high-end libraries in a production DAW. And while it IS posibble to do, it is a pain-in-the-butt to pull off and even once you get it right, you have no easy way of let’s say, hook up expression text to trigger a keystroke in a Master sample loaded in your cubase track. Giving us a simple grid to programm what text sends which midi command would be incredibbly useful (and I bet it is not hard to implement). I hope someone at AVID does read this and take it into consideration; Team up with Steinberg and the other major DAW studios, collaborate and give us easy plug n’ play ways to hook Sibelius together with their DAW’s and I guarnatee you, people will gladly upgrade to Version 8. Interesting debate and comments and observations above, and very much what one would expect; but the question remains, WHY WHY WHY have AVID made their whole system so opaque and impenetrable, and expensive!
The website is unnnavigable, downloads including free updates are awkward and slow, it’s as if they really don’t want to know unless you are willing to spend a ton of dough. In conclusion, I started using the original and genuine SIBELIUS almost from day one when the brothers were in control, and it was friendly and helpful and accommodating. And now it is not. I appreciate almost all the reviews and comments especially since I was about to upgrade fm v7 to v8. I’m fine staying w 7 thru perpetuity but will pay the fee for the upgrade if there’s good substance to be gained.Many years ago I purchased two twenty-year licenses for some chemical engineering software. I paid about $18,000 for each license. A few years later the pricing policy changed such that perpetual licenses were grandfathered in and only annual fee payers of $20,000 could get the software.
It truly gave me a competitive edge.In this case, I’d be tempted to pay $89 per yr if there was something unique to be gained in future upgrades. I tend to use Sibelius mainly for big scores and have written 6 symphonies for large orchestras. Since generally the comments suggest nothing to be gained from going to v8, I will wait until there is a worthwhile upgrade of substance. I realize then that Avid will likely require us to pay for every year we have skipped in order to get the sought after upgrade at that time. Pay me now, pay me later: I choose to maybe pay them later. All this saddens me. I have 7.5 and will probably keep it for as long as I can.
I jumped on Sibelius at version 3. I was a frustrated Finale user, and found out that every time they released an update, not only did they want a lot of money for the update, but that the update was adding features that already existed in Sibelius.
I jumped and was happy. Then Sibelius was sold to Avid and I could see the writing on the wall. Big company wants big money whilst putting as little effort as possible in improvement. I get how company’s are going to subscription. However, you have to make it worth people’s while or they are going to bolt. I will use what I have and not upgrade. Personally, I have all that I need.
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One word (or two perhaps): musescore.I can no longer tolerate Sibelius. It is not the programme it once was. It has become like every bad word-processor programme or bloated, unmanageable DAW.
And the pricing is obscene.Of course they’ll argue it’s because they cater to the professional media market, but that’s not the bulk of their users.I just want a programme to work, not need to have a terabyte of sound files for rendering or need a minicomputer to run it. At this juncture I’ll pit free soundfonts used in musescore against Sibelius+noteperformer any day of the week. The difference is negligible.Avid can whistle.
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